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Designed to Fail

Designed to Fail

It is crucial for the safety and healthy well-being of students to start schools later than the 7:00am hour. This problem is often trivialized as kids staying up too late or kids whining about hardships, but the facts are much more complicated than that.

Visit http://www.startschoollater.net/myths-and-misconceptions.html to learn more about this issue. Also, for a student to get 9 hours of sleep under the current schedule, they would need to be asleep by 8:30pm. With many students not arriving home from school events or sports until at least 9:30pm, this is not possible. Also, due to a shift in circadian rhythms, waking a teen at 5:30 for school is equivalent to having an adult wake at 2:30am to go to work.

Couple that with the darkness students must cope with while getting to school and it is hazardous. The current early school system schedules are a design to fail.

Since when do high school students need 3+ hours of sports practice every night? Since when is it OK to sacrifice medically researched sleep needs? Since when is it better to cut transportation costs at the EXPENSE of student health. Don't be fooled. These early school starts only happened in public schools when they streamlined busing schedules and recycled buses and drivers 30 years ago. While it was viewed as a cost savings boon, no one back then knew the long-range implications on sleep. Now, the research is too compelling to ignore. Let's stop sacrificing the real sleep needs of students to save a fast buck. We'd never restrict students from being able to eat, but yet we are restricting students from getting the sleep they need with these overbalanced schedules.

Ironically, sport programs expanded to fit the "extra time" kids had b/c they were out of school so early. Now, this expansion is somehow viewed as a requirement.

Kari O

8:18 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Thanks for this great reminder! There's a new Anne Arundel County petition at http://ow.ly/eL30F, asking for a minimum school start time of 8 am and minimum bus pickup of 7 am (currently buses come as early at 5:50 am!). Over 500 signatures, and this is only day 3! Folks who care about this issue should read the petition, sign if they agree, and spread the word.

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Newth Morris

9:31 am on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Early school starts also mean kids come home to an unsupervised house for 2 hours or longer in the afternoon. Our community is close enough for kids to walk, but it is so dark that it is not safe to Walk, so parents drive them which only adds to traffic congestion.

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Terra Ziporyn Snider, Ph.D.

4:23 pm on Thursday, October 25, 2012

Good points, Newth. As signer #995 just wrote on the later school start petition (http://ow.ly/eL30F): "... for 3/4 of the school year teenagers are either waiting for a bus or walking to school in total darkness." And, of course, schools that start absurdly early also get out absurdly early (2:05 p.m. in our county). With many parents working, those many free, unsupervised hours after school are a concern, especially among sleep-deprived teens - who, according to the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) are already at risk for many unhealthy behaviors including drug and alcohol use, physical inactivity, and suicidal thoughts.

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Casey Cosgrove

4:44 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

So, you'd rather have kindergartners standing around in total darkness waiting for a bus? How safe is that?

Kari O

5:35 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

Casey, how many kindergartners wait for the bus unsupervised in your neighborhood (not that this is what the petition calls for -- no bus pickup before 7 a.m. precludes that possibility)?

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Casey Cosgrove

9:44 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Hmm, so you're OK with waking up kindergartners around 6 am for a 7 am bus pick up, as long as they're supervised? Don't elementary kids need sleep too?

Maribel Ibrahim

5:41 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

People automatically assume we are proposing a simple solution, like flipping schools. We don't have to have to have staggered starts at all. There are many ways to skin this cat.

HS'ers could have online courses and start their day at 9:10, while we leave ES and MS the same. Or, folks could opt in on bus service and we could consolidate enough to add extra bus runs where they are needed.

The fact is, we would never dream of sending our kids to school and not giving them food. Why is it OK to send out our kids without sleep?

For more success stories, visit: http://www.startschoollater.net/success-stories.html

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Terra Ziporyn Snider, Ph.D.

5:46 pm on Friday, October 26, 2012

The Anne Arundel petition ( http://signon.org/sign/set-8-am-as-the-earliest) very clearly asks for safe, healthy school and bus times for children of all ages, whether age 6 or age 17. This background is clearly spelled out on the petition website: "Merely switching elementary and high school start times will not solve this problem because it will force our youngest children to go to school at unsafe hours as well. That’s why we are proposing 8 a.m. as a minimum opening class time and 7 a.m. as an earliest bus pick up time. These lower limits will ensure the physical and mental health and safety of children of all ages in our public schools, while still allowing the possibility of starting high schools even later, as most research suggests they should."

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Casey Cosgrove

9:48 am on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Sadly, the Fairfax County School Board only bothered to establish a high school start time of 8 am, thus leaving open the possibility of very early starts for elementary students.

Terra Ziporyn Snider, Ph.D.

1:27 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Casey, when Anne Arundel County citizen groups grappled with our 7:17 am high high school start times back in the mid-2000's, we quickly found that setting 8 am as the minimum opening time for K-12 was the preferred solution. That's how I got the idea of using 8 a.m. as a rock bottom opening hour in the national petition I started last fall (http://signon.org/sign/promote-legislation-to.fb1?source=s.fb&r_by=1521139), and it's at the heart of the newer AACPS petition (http://signon.org/sign/set-8-am-as-the-earliest) as well as most start school later efforts around the country. The Start School Later movement is by no means solely about high schools. It's more fundamentally about finding ways to return to healthier, more traditional hours (and 7 am is by no means traditional), and regarding the need to do so as a non-negotiable matter of public health, much as heating schools in winter is non-negotiable. From what I know, the Fairfax School Board thinks this way. too, and is working to ensure that no child of any age is required to go to school at unsafe or unhealthy hours.

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Casey Cosgrove

6:00 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

It's unfortunate that the written words by the Fairfax School Board contain none of these assurances. In fact, they would specifically allow 7 am drop offs of elementary school children, leading to a 6 am wake up.

Phyllis Payne

1:48 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012

The Fairfax County School Board and SLEEP have always been quite clear on our mutual desire to solve this problem while maintaining daylight pick-up and drop-off times for elementary school children. In fact, it is specifically included in the statement of work approved by the school board this summer.

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Casey Cosgrove

5:57 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

First, if SLEEP is so "clear" on the issue of earlier elementary school starts, then why didn't SLEEP make sure this was stated in the school board resolution? It's curious that SLEEP only makes this "clear" when someone calls them on it.

Second, according to the Statement of Work, the School Board (and by extension, SLEEP) is OK with 6 am wake ups for elementary school kids. The SOW says there shall be no civil twilight violations, which means that kids could be dropped off as early as 7am, meaning a 6 am wake up for elementary school kids. So, your "daylight" dropoff translates to a 6 am wake up - why isn't SLEEP "clear" on that little fact?

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Phyllis Payne

10:29 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

Not really clear on what you are saying. "Drop off" would likely be close to 8 AM if buses are avoiding darkness. What time does your elementary school start? Elementary schools in Fairfax currently start between 8:00 AM and 9:20 am. This is referred to as a "rolling bell schedule" where one school starts as soon as possible after another. It will likely continue to be like this. SLEEP is advocating to keep elementary schools as close to their current start times as possible. The SOW was written that way to ensure that elementary school students would be waiting for buses after it is light outside. I think this is something that you have advocated for in the past?
Are you encouraging the school board to maintain the 5:45 AM first bus pick-up for 13 and 14 and 15 year-old students? Or, would you like to work together on coming up with a solution that works for the high school students as well as the elementary students and the middle school students.

Maribel Ibrahim

7:31 pm on Saturday, October 27, 2012

Terra, Phyllis and Kari, thank you all for clarifying all the issues.

Casey does bring up the question of waking up elementary school-age children. It needs to be noted that elementary children generally follow an early to bed, early waking sleep schedule, so they are usually early risers. Teens on the other hand, experience a shift in this sleep schedule, due to hormones and puberty. This shift has largely been ignored when determining school schedules. While my 3rd grader happily rises at 6:00am, a teenager would have a hard time going to sleep before 11:00pm and waking before 8:00am. This is healthy, normal, and natural, not a function of laziness or wasting time. That said, I never have to "wake up" my kids, they are raring to go by 7:00am.

Also, notice that my child WAKES at 6:00am. I wouldn't dream of having him or any other child of any age at a bus stop before the 7:00am hour. (My other two "sleep in" until 7:00am).

Again, the focus is for ALL children to have a healthy school start time, including elementary students. NO student should be required in school before 8:00am. Unfortunately, our high schools have typically started the earliest, which is why they receive the "attention" regarding school starts and the brunt of this brutal scheduling.

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Casey Cosgrove

10:14 pm on Monday, October 29, 2012

Ahh, the anecdote, and one about your own children as well. I'm not saying this is your motivation, but stories like this could lead one to believe this is all about having the school system revolve around your children. I wonder how many other parents would like to wake up their elementary student at 6 am?

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